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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated to 1.4%. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home dep depot, the group would be flat lining. yet that hasn't been happening. it is shown by the rth, the market vectovector's retail num. it has been showing very well. that is why tonight we are going off the charts with the help of ed ponzi. my colleague at realmoney.com, we have to learn what the charts are seeing. if you remember, one of the reasons why i went back to ed. he is the guy who nailed it and
tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated...
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we pay taxes overseas. we pay taxes here. we pay other forms of tax as well. i think that story hasn't been told. the fiscal terms that are in place here for our industry, for example, if punitive taxes were imposed on our industry, would impact our investment. i hope that's not where we're headed. i think there is a case to be made that we pay our fair share of taxes, and i work hard to try to communicate that. >> talk to us about an energy policy. what would you like to see in the election is behind us. what should a proper energy policy look like to do everything you're saying, create jobs and, in fact, take advantage of this opportunity that america has. >> i think the energy policy sometimes is made more difficult than it needs to be. to me, there are three things th that you need focus on. do you want affordable energy, do you want secure energy, and the environmental characteristics you want. we talk about those one at a time. we need to talk about those together. >> let me ask you a few questions about from the investment community. i guess the biggest
we pay taxes overseas. we pay taxes here. we pay other forms of tax as well. i think that story hasn't been told. the fiscal terms that are in place here for our industry, for example, if punitive taxes were imposed on our industry, would impact our investment. i hope that's not where we're headed. i think there is a case to be made that we pay our fair share of taxes, and i work hard to try to communicate that. >> talk to us about an energy policy. what would you like to see in the...
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the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was under george bush or barack obama. so i think your case is good in the short term, not so good in the long term. i think the best way to restore confidence in wall street in the long term would be to show we're serious about the deficit. i don't think any deal they strike will be as serious about the deficit as this fiscal slope. >> i just think that era, you're right. the economy boomd especially in the mid 1990s and late 1990s. i don't think it did so well a couple years after bill clinton raised taxes. that's one of the reasons 1994 republicans had the biggest election they
the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was...
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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that growth and personal consumption decelerated to 1.4%. these are not encouraging numbers. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast wealthiest parts of the country, for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home depot and lowes, you think it would be from the proverbial -- >> the house of fame. >> or at least the group flat lining. get that? isn't happenin
tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in...
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but even then if you want to do tax cuts to stimulate the economy, why are we doing tax krets. that's been on the table forever. >> why do you think we're not? >> i honesti honestly don't kno. investment trax credits are things we have precedent for in the uk and other countries. they're business friendly. if you want to be business friendly, which most of us do, they're inherently temporary because you're trying to get people to move forward. >> it is strange when david cameron spoke last week, saying we're putting growth in every ministry, there is going to be a growth agenda. so all this talk, but not followed up. >> doesn't seem to be a company hair rent strategy at all. and i can't pretend to know what internal negotiations lead to that but a little bit of broadband hear and get off wealth incentive there is is not growth strategy. growth strategy is recognizing the uk has had an enormous shortfall of investment are and it existed even in the boom years. and has gotten worse since 2008. the financial system is a major part of it. and so you have to think about what it is t
but even then if you want to do tax cuts to stimulate the economy, why are we doing tax krets. that's been on the table forever. >> why do you think we're not? >> i honesti honestly don't kno. investment trax credits are things we have precedent for in the uk and other countries. they're business friendly. if you want to be business friendly, which most of us do, they're inherently temporary because you're trying to get people to move forward. >> it is strange when david...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then...
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i think this is all fiscal cliff and tax related selling here. i don't think it's core, that rumor that because they moved up margins -- >> what do you do? your brother says stay away. >> i think he's right. you don't add to it until the final weeks of december. >> he didn't say stay away. >> did he say buy it? >> he said own it. >> if he thinks it's going up. >> if he loves it so much, why don't you buy more here? absolutely. on november 16th the stock rallied, took a little bit off, and i still believe on a tact tactical basis that's the right move, at least for me. longer-term time frame it is generational. it looks most like a bond. it's a bond-friendly type of asset. that's why i want to own it. now, john and pete are talking about what potentially could turn it. you have to look forward into the earnings season and understand the potential for the number of iphones to be sold to hit 50 million. now, the reason that it was down 9 of 11 weeks, why did that begin? it began on the conversation of iphone five constraints. you wanted to order an
i think this is all fiscal cliff and tax related selling here. i don't think it's core, that rumor that because they moved up margins -- >> what do you do? your brother says stay away. >> i think he's right. you don't add to it until the final weeks of december. >> he didn't say stay away. >> did he say buy it? >> he said own it. >> if he thinks it's going up. >> if he loves it so much, why don't you buy more here? absolutely. on november 16th the stock...
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i would say, one, we need to get a better tax code, a much more pro-growth, pro-markets, pro-jobs tax code. we need to encourage economic trade with other countries. i mean really significant economic trade. one of the things i will give president obama credit for is he was able to get through the three free trade agreements that were negotiated by president bush at the end of his term and did not go through congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd like to see a lot more of that. the third would be a much more cautious dwrie regulation, the kind of regulation that actually works. more of a cost benefit analysis approach. the fourth is spending control. we jumped from 21% of gdp to 25% of gdp in spending in one year. that means we've been running a 9% deficit each year. we just can't sustain that. even if we increase taxes, if we tax the rich, what we're talking about is adding $900 billion to the debt every year instead of $1 trillion. it's not very long before you're italy under those circumstances pmplgts that's for sure. ed, good to see
i would say, one, we need to get a better tax code, a much more pro-growth, pro-markets, pro-jobs tax code. we need to encourage economic trade with other countries. i mean really significant economic trade. one of the things i will give president obama credit for is he was able to get through the three free trade agreements that were negotiated by president bush at the end of his term and did not go through congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd...
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tax revenue? on that the president responded -- high-end tax cuts do least for economic growth and cost almost $1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. meantime the white house photographer tweeted a picture of the president answering tweets. speaker of the house john boehner also got into the conversation saying, mr. president, the budget will never balance without economic growth. how does raising tax rates on 1 million small businesses create jobs and grow the economy? let's see if the president responds to that one. he still has it. back over to you. >> that feels a little bit like a side show. >> tax cuts on one group help but tax cuts over here won't help and $80 billion a year will suddenly save medicare. >>> america doubling down on secret agents. u.s. sending out nearly 2,000 new spies. next we'll tell you their prime targets -- hint -- and the price tag for you, the taxpayer, will be paid for by tax hikes on the rich. >>> the cnbc real-time exchange mar
tax revenue? on that the president responded -- high-end tax cuts do least for economic growth and cost almost $1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. meantime the white house photographer tweeted a picture of the president answering tweets. speaker of the house john boehner also got into the conversation saying, mr. president, the budget will never balance without economic growth. how does raising tax rates on 1 million small businesses create jobs and grow...
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so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor people. it's money taken out of the productive sector, the private sector, and given to the nonproductive sector, the government. >> finally, we started the conversation talking about the pledge. when senator graham does, though, indicate his commitment is softening, do you have words with him later on? does he get scolded behind the scenes? >> i don't do any scolding. it's not my job to tell other senators or congressman how to vote or what to think. i try to communicate what i think is the message of our party. the
so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter...
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i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat these loan loss reserves. citi still has close to $10 billion in reserves. they've not used them. >> that's interesting. >> these
i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all,...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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versus the 2013 tax code. we're glued each week to the jobless claims and they come out at 8:30 and right now they aren't going up or down and that's because business is frozen. if you're thinking about creating a business, you want to know if you sell it you get a good capital gains rate. if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every thursday as the claims spike because of mandated layoffs particularly in a military industrial complex. people will lose that right in 2013. and thousands of other companies are slimming down because, hey, we failed to rise above. when that happens, believe me, you'll want every bit of this mountain gear. you'll want the ice ax. man, we got to use this. this will no longer just be a key chain because if we're cl m climbing out of the cliff you need to be the first there and with the best stocks. i envision all segments of the m
versus the 2013 tax code. we're glued each week to the jobless claims and they come out at 8:30 and right now they aren't going up or down and that's because business is frozen. if you're thinking about creating a business, you want to know if you sell it you get a good capital gains rate. if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every...
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we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loop holes and lower tax rates. that is far better for the economy than the american people actually favor that approach by two to one. they favor even more when we can also show them that real spending cuts will in fact reduce the deficit. now, there have been many conversations of years that cou inform a solution. i hope the president will draw from those discussions and work with both parties to find common ground. solving the fiscal cliff in a manner that addresses the true drivers of our debt and saves american jobs will be a great way for the president to start his second term. for the good of our country and my colleagues, we're ready to work with the president to achieve those goals. >> on the issue of tax rates, are you willing to accept no deal that includes some increase in those top tax rates? i'm also wondering, what the final deadline is? when do you really have to have a deal or framework? >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the am
we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loop holes and lower tax rates. that is far better for the economy than the american people actually favor that approach by two to one. they favor even more when we can also show them that real spending cuts will in fact reduce the deficit. now, there have been many conversations of years that cou inform a solution. i hope the president will draw from those discussions and work with both parties to find common ground....
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i am a flat tax guy. what i don't get is why the united states wants to imitate the mistakes of western europe, jim pethokoukis. that's what i don't get. you get the last word. >> i think it's stunning and i hope we learn from yoour mistak as quickly as they did in great britain. >>> who needs to wait for a recession? our next guest says we may already be in one and it started way back in july. think about that. recession last july. stay with us. he'll defend his position. r ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. >>> we've got some more breaking news for you. the michigan
i am a flat tax guy. what i don't get is why the united states wants to imitate the mistakes of western europe, jim pethokoukis. that's what i don't get. you get the last word. >> i think it's stunning and i hope we learn from yoour mistak as quickly as they did in great britain. >>> who needs to wait for a recession? our next guest says we may already be in one and it started way back in july. think about that. recession last july. stay with us. he'll defend his position. r ]...
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who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot, and even best of breed staples, as companies shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commodized. think personal computers. just witness the hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. yes, 122%. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. is that -- well what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. just when you expect the company to be take it on the chin. what the heck is really happening at thi
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a jump in tax rates means a huge chunk of change. agents and players definitely taking notice in this. a lot of people are telling me it is not priority one because it is not so easy to get up front money in baseball which only gives big bonuses to draft picks. >> there could be some agents that will try to get some of that money front loaded but remember teams are only able to do so much. they are not going to for instance the b.j. upton deal signed with atlanta it is not as though his agent will get $75 million upfront. >> let's talk about upton. he just signed a $75 million deal with atlanta. he got 3 million bucks in a bonus payable by december 1. it jumps right off the page. upton's former teammate signed an extension this week. part of the deal included a $1 million bonus. this is not the baseballb way. the sport is more known for deferring money so it is obvious that the fiscal cliff is a big factor. >> amazing. fiscal cliff is everywhere. thank you so much. brian shactman. >>> it is not a doung grade to a specific company but
a jump in tax rates means a huge chunk of change. agents and players definitely taking notice in this. a lot of people are telling me it is not priority one because it is not so easy to get up front money in baseball which only gives big bonuses to draft picks. >> there could be some agents that will try to get some of that money front loaded but remember teams are only able to do so much. they are not going to for instance the b.j. upton deal signed with atlanta it is not as though his...
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so we now have one of the lowest corporation tax rates of any major economy in the world. we've just cut it so that it will be 21%, much lower than our competitors. and we've also greatly increased the allowances for small and medium sized firms so they can invest and expand. so where we've been able to help businesses, we've absolutely done that, and we've had very positive reaction from the business community. >> how concerned are you about the aaa rating and the risk that we continue to drift, still need to cut more and boost growth? >> well, we've got to go on commanding the confidence of the world that we can deal with our debts. that is reflected in the very, very low interest rates that we get at the moment for gilts. and of course that's the test, how much are investors will to go pay for our money f debt. and it scheme that failed to solve the problem and funding for lending hasn't delivered yet. we thought we would get more details about a small business bank to help address this market failure. we didn't see that yesterday. and if you look at the wider picture,
so we now have one of the lowest corporation tax rates of any major economy in the world. we've just cut it so that it will be 21%, much lower than our competitors. and we've also greatly increased the allowances for small and medium sized firms so they can invest and expand. so where we've been able to help businesses, we've absolutely done that, and we've had very positive reaction from the business community. >> how concerned are you about the aaa rating and the risk that we continue...
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tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back in february of '09. i can't find a higher direct bid. the yield -- 1.045%, right in the middle of the bid offer we give this auction a b-plus, solid auction. 99 billion is now behind us and considering the issues of fiscal cliff we're going to be looking to handicap a whole lot more auctions over the next several years. back to you. >> absolutely. >>> breaking news now. it concerns microsoft. let's go out to jon fortt. jon? >> hey, sue. microsoft has officially announced the pricing for surface pro. that's the version of microsoft's tablet that runs a
tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back...
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>> i think most people aren't focused on this, the payroll tax holiday will expire, so that's a 2% tax increase. but i don't think most people even realize they got the tax cut and it's one of the reasons why it will go away because policymakers aren't getting any credit for it. >> so if we they mathematically it will be a hit to gdp, is it going to be something that the economy gets knocked off course is this>> i think the final deal will have fiscal drag in it. the expiration of the payroll tax holiday will be part of that. emergency unemployment insurance program will expire. and of course that higher tax rate on upper income households. >> a lot of people will be without those job rest benefits. >> and if you look at all the stimulus that's been provided since the recession hit will, part of that is emergency unemployment insurance. yeah. so that's been a big part of it. it is winding down because unemployment in the united states is declining. and people have run out of time. >> how important was the ability to raise the debt limit without hitting the ceiling constantly? >> the de
>> i think most people aren't focused on this, the payroll tax holiday will expire, so that's a 2% tax increase. but i don't think most people even realize they got the tax cut and it's one of the reasons why it will go away because policymakers aren't getting any credit for it. >> so if we they mathematically it will be a hit to gdp, is it going to be something that the economy gets knocked off course is this>> i think the final deal will have fiscal drag in it. the...
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the plan would generate $800 billion in into tnew tax revenu leaves the bush era tax cuts in place for everyone. it would cut $1.2 billion in discretionary planning. it raises the eligibility anyone for medicare and changes how cost of living increases can calculated. house officials suggest the two side where is continue to negotiate ways to avoid the year end fiscal cliff. and on that team, the president will meet with a group of u.s. governors. they'll discuss possible solutions to the fiscal cliff and how it will impact their states. the group is also expected to meet with house republicans later in the week. in corporate new, sprint nextel is reportedly out of the market for metro pcs. the company won't make a counteroffer. sprint announced japan and he softbank will buy up to a 70% stake in the company. reports suggest sprint believes going after metro pcs would complicate the regulatory review of the softbank deal. sprint stock in frankfurt up just a third of 1%. and service capital reportedly in talks to join the bid for night capital. it would include silver lake partners and
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taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that they're concerned about a looming tax hike that might affect their portfolios as it is about the uncertainty that the cliff represents, that chinese economy represents, and that europe represents. >> totally. so they have two decisions. on the risk hedging they have to look where yield is going worldwide. that's the price of ensuring their liabilities. at the same time diversification is the other avenue, generating return. rather than awarding historically high allocations toward equities, move towards alternatives. >> not necessarily
taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that...
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first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce. >> you don't have to worry about personal hygiene. don't shower that morning. what is the difference. >> die smelly? >> you guys have a loincloth around the house? >> i hope guy does practice personal hygiene until the 20th. >> exactly. >> jane, good to see you. jane wells joining us from the west coast. next on fast is the smart phone revolution just getting started? the most closely watched is making a bold prediction and getting a lot of play on twitter. we have your tweets next. a passionate belief, and the foundation on which merrill lynch has been built. today, our financial advisors lead from a new
first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce....
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...
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remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be substantive. if it doesn't happen, then we're all going to pay the price in the next month or so. >> a lot of prices to be paid. >>> as the market is clearly blowing in the breeze with every single comment from both sides of the political aisle, we wonder whether or not these comments are anything more than just hot air. eamon javers, what say you? >> well, there's a lot of hot air up here on capitol hill, mandy. i just had the chance -- not that he was talking about hot air, but i just spoke briefly with former republican vice presidential candidate paul r
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back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very high on major issues that are out there. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about is the apple situation, after that performance yesterday, you talked last week about how you talked about the people that were selling this week. do you think that's really what's happening in this situation? >> i do. whether it's that side which is kind of the negative side, you break the piggy bank, you want to beat capital gameins, you wa to beat the tax man. i think both those sides of the equation may have a lot more horsepower than people th
back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very...
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cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle moving dividend payable dates to this year after oracle announced it will accelerate its fiscal '13 dividend payments into this month. the payout for larry ellison will exceed 1$198 million. when you consider potential tax rates difference, that's serious money. >> real money there where you go up as high as 41%, yeah. from where we are right now, absolutely. the most tax efficient way to deal with dividends is not to have them at all. and actually run real growth companies that don't return anything to shareholders and power everything back into your bu
cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle...
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends. unfortunately savers are going to have no choice but to own dividend paying stocks. >> joe is not paying attention. buy lottery tickets and open a moe's franchise. that's what we should do. >> someone tweeted i have moe's tortilla chips. >> up next, up next -- thanks, peter. gop criticizing the president's proposals for taxes and spending increases. dems telling the republicans to bring their ideas to the table. can the two sides get together and get a deal done? we ask ed rendell and judd gregg about that and much more "squawk box" is coming right back after a break. for m
on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends....
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...
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be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are prepared to get the yes, but not prepared to get to foolish. and 1.6 you would think is foolish. 800 people think maybe that's doable. could it just look like this, i'll cut to the chase, we go up -- we start at 500,000 and above. we go up 2 percentage points to 37 and do a couple things on deductions that are politically possible to do to get to a trillion dollars. if the president were to come down to a trillion, could we go up -- would republicans go up to a trillion in that. >> i'll give you a straight hans, but inhan answer, but in a minute. let me get
be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are...
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i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this move. maybe his views leading him to democrat support have to do with education or the supreme court or gun control or foreign policy. not everybody is a single issue voter. >> no. not everybody is and, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt. let's give him the benefit of the doubt. take a step back. the issue is whether it's warren buffet worth 50 million pointing down at us and saying, hum. maybe the threshold should be 500,000 instead of 250,000. i don't know about you. but when i see the automatic pilot, and thank
i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this...
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if we're going off the fiscal cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you really think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power and polling. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man less now rather than more later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. especially if you hold apple. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that arithmetic, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff, myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the
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code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony capitalism is just as -- >> it's what democracy does. until it gets so bad. people get so angry, they gain control. shareholders don't really have control of corporations, until they do. and it's the same thing in democracy. >> tell me why i'm wrong about this and i've said it a lot. if you get government to the point where it's 25% of gdp, and you know full well it's bloated and overspending, i don't think you decide how to pay for that. you don't say, okay, i'm going to get the revenue side up. i think you immediately start on the 25. and knowing that b
code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony...
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it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell, sell, sell! >> excuse me for a moment while i get nauseated. apple went down today because it's a big dollar amount stock and makes a ton of economic sense to ring the register before year-end. why do i always say about apple? own it. shocker. how about citigroup? this company's crushed shareholders
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hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's been offered so are far which appears like $1.6 trillion in tax hikes against $400 billion of entitlement cuts over time, that's an even worse mix than the two-thirds/one-third european structure that really has gotten a negative reaction. >> how much is because of the mix and how much of it just this is what austerity looks like? >> is the money in capping deductions or raising marginal tax rates? it's in capping deductions. but that's tough because you have to tell someone no like the housing lobby or charitable contribut
hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's...
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i wonder, are there enough members of the gop who study higher tax pornography with that seduce stuff? maybe this weekend have the impure thoughts thing we ought to call old-time supreme court justice potter stewart. "i will know it when i see it." sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a -- how many times can you tell us that monster drinks aren't any worse and may actually be better than a cup of joe from starbucks? let us count the ways that this analyst meeting slash lovefest, they will tell you that there's no better way to preserve your heart than to drink a taste of monster every morning. now, analysts will be plenty hopped up w
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and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the near-term economic future of the country, people are going to rise above and do the right thing. and i think the republicans, frankly, are going to have to accept some tax increases. the wealthy are going to have to accept some tax increases, even if only temporary. but on the other side, there's got to be massive spending cuts and entitlement programs, because you can't have the -- a minor revenue increase without a decrease in spending. and then again, my favorite solution would be a temporary national sales tax, and a federal fuel tax
and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the...
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pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking
pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those...
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theories why the stock has been falling, people selling ahead of the fiscal cliff, fearing capital gains, tax hike, fear that china mobile will take longer to start selling the iphone given it's already picked up nokia's latest lumia. reports apple is asking for fewer iphone 5 parts from suppliers and people wrapping that in with fears apple is losing phone market share to android and dealing with compressed margins from ipad mini and other products. as a reporter covering the company i wonder if some of us have crossed over to irrational despondency on apple. tim cook set a high bar in revenue for the quarter, he just had a big opportunity to drop a hint in interviews with nbc's brian williams and bloomberg "business week." so far it seems he didn't do that. iphone 5 supplies coming into balance available to ship in two to four business days online. ipad mini demand outstripped supply which could mean margins are better than apple projected. there are open questions on the pro and con side of apple but the most important ones, these questions can apple ramp iphone supply ahead of the quarter
theories why the stock has been falling, people selling ahead of the fiscal cliff, fearing capital gains, tax hike, fear that china mobile will take longer to start selling the iphone given it's already picked up nokia's latest lumia. reports apple is asking for fewer iphone 5 parts from suppliers and people wrapping that in with fears apple is losing phone market share to android and dealing with compressed margins from ipad mini and other products. as a reporter covering the company i wonder...
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and the restoration party has reportedly vowed to cut corporate income taxes. two of japan's top high tech firms have decided to join forces in a bid to power up overseas rivals. more live from tokyo. in respect. >>> there will be a joint venture by january 2014. the integration will cover gas turbines and power systems mainly for thermal power plants as well as business but it will not include nuclear power operations. am sales of the new company is estimated to total around $13 billion, a close third in the global thermal power market. infrastructure demand continues to grow worldwide. shares surged following the nikkei report just before the bell. and that's all from me. back to you, kelly. >> thanks very much. samsung may have found a way to get a leg up defense japanese rivals on on the digital camera front. cheri has the details from seoul. >> yeah, samsung today took the wraps off its new android powered digital camera. the camera that has a smart phone like tendencies allows users to upload their photos to their favorite social networking site wirelessl
and the restoration party has reportedly vowed to cut corporate income taxes. two of japan's top high tech firms have decided to join forces in a bid to power up overseas rivals. more live from tokyo. in respect. >>> there will be a joint venture by january 2014. the integration will cover gas turbines and power systems mainly for thermal power plants as well as business but it will not include nuclear power operations. am sales of the new company is estimated to total around $13...
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>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the institutional side, probably pressure from the -- individuals might just simply get frightened off and now the result in selloff will lead to the stock being in stronger hands? >> i think that's exactly right. i think a lot of these investors will come back to apple after the tax related selling, whether that's in a week or two or sometime this year. >> we have a half dozen technicians focused on the selloff. historically they're only up 4, so a phenomenal november for the apple monitor, which are suppliers to apple. >> today just in today's ses
>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the...
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. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is licensed and regulated, the price will certainly go down to some extent. >> how confident are you -- you talk about setting up a regulated functioning market for weed as if you just snapped your fingers. how do you make sure this stays out of the hands of those who are under 21? >> well, we've seen in colorado already a fully regulated market that is serving 120,000 medical marijuana patients and no reports of any marijuana being diverted from those stores to teens and moreover while the use of marijuana among teens has gone up 11% n
. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is...
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worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come, italian parliament is in turmoil. berlusconi's party taken back support from the current government. but could this mean the return of the former prime minister to politics. we'll get more from our correspondent. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male anno
worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come,...